Chat log of Bridge Base Online session for vugraph37 starting at: Mon Jun 14 09:56:28 2004

vugraph37: players just going over the prealerts
robbg: Thank you.
robbg: Welcome!
mcphee: hi folks
robbg: hi
robbg: We are not ahead of the "other" event yet in attendance but there is still time...
tejjyid: good morning all
Walddk2 (Broadcast): Live broadcast from Australia resuming now. 1 table only
tejjyid: Welcome to round 9 of the Victor Champion Cup
shevek: good morning, afternoon and evening everyone :)
tejjyid: Well, there is some competition!
mcphee: Nicoleta my beer drinking companion
robbg: For the non-Australians here, we might see some interesting bidding treatments!
shevek: thx Bob, pretty cold here, rather have a cup of tea :)
vugraph37: just waiting for the go ahead from the director to start
robbg: The Australians are quite liberal about systems
tejjyid: Kanetka is not a technical bidder; but he likes to attack
mcphee: oh your winter is coming around
shevek: Avi Kanetkar if there is enough room 
tejjyid: Haffer is also an agressive bidder; he likes gadgets but I doubt kanetka will let him use them
vugraph37: ===============15
robbg: This is a 16 board swiss match, correct?
tejjyid: correct
tejjyid: reults and tournamanet details at http://www.abf.com.au/events/vcc/index.html
mcphee: seems 4!H may be difficult with a !S lead
tejjyid: luckily a !S lead not easy to find
robbg: This will be a cakewalk, and may make 6 on the lie
mcphee: he may well 
mcphee: I like Haffers 2!S rebid
tejjyid: I would rebid 2NT
shevek: guess anything else would show extras
tejjyid: Txx looks like a stopper
mcphee: well 2NT is the value rebid but with sloppy !D control 2!S not so unreasonable
robbg: now will make 4 barring unusual d play
robbg: well, there it was!
tejjyid: I wonder why Kanetka bid 4!H & not 4!D... Would 4 !D be more slam going?
vugraph37: =================16
robbg: Will we get comparisons at some point?
tejjyid: Comparisons will kick in after 2 boards
shevek: wi hope so
shevek: we
robbg: Thx
mcphee: moir is not done
tejjyid: no fear
tejjyid: a low !C might be better
mcphee: gives a !S pitch
vugraph37: ===============1
tejjyid: A weak 2?
tejjyid: or 3?
mcphee: good save to 4!H
tejjyid: Good lead directing bid by North
mcphee: may help opps a bit
shevek: don't like 3d. 3s might have bought it
robbg: Moir was able to upgrade a bit after 3!d
mcphee: would not E dble 3!S?
tejjyid: Sure
mcphee: smith got talked out of his game!
robbg: With an ace and a king?
tejjyid: Smith is a "she" I think
mcphee: wow
vugraph37: moir is a she
shevek: Scott Smith and Deborah Moir are young kiwis
mcphee: of course, She Smith
robbg: Well NS took a good "save"
mcphee: I think haffer did well
tejjyid: Well yes
tejjyid: By bidding 4!S direct he wins the post mortem
mcphee: big !D cards
robbg: But he will still lose 5
tejjyid: on the bidding the !D hook is > 50%
mcphee: mind you 3!D did nty have to be any lenght I guess
mcphee: still a great result to the possible 4!H game
tejjyid: Who should bid 4!H?
vugraph37: ===============2
shevek: we can compare scores now
mcphee: i think Smith should have raised
mcphee: but she was concerned about the 3 small !D
tejjyid: The world needs a convention "Splinter in partners suit"
robbg: I am surprised that Kanetka didn't sniff for slam.
vugraph37: haffer says "let's see if you can do better"
mcphee: i agree Robb
robbg: Slam is indifferent here, but could be even better than this.
mcphee: 4!S on these cards is just not sensible
tejjyid: 3!H would be a reasonable try for slam
tejjyid: partner can tell you something sensible
shevek: really, 4D here SHOULD be a splinter
mcphee: biddindg 3!C would allow lots of room
robbg: yes
robbg: I would bid 3!c
mcphee: now can say "i did better"
robbg: but not "I bid better"
vugraph37: ====================3
mcphee: so an opportunity missed there
mcphee: wk NT
mcphee: penalty?
shevek: penalty oriented
tejjyid: 4 reasonable on EW cards
tejjyid: 4!S
robbg: Hard to get to after this
mcphee: yes big 2 suited fit
robbg: now...
tejjyid: another triumph for the weak NT
robbg: lol
mcphee: it was?
robbg: So we will see another push
tejjyid: Bizarrely this is a flat board
robbg: And another opportunity missed, this time, by ew
vugraph37: ================4
mcphee: i think most pairs would reach 4!S vul after a 1!D opening with good tools
robbg: The other match is closing in on 100 to Nickell
tejjyid: Yes, the !D fit is very encouraging
mcphee: lets hope 1NTis Non F
mcphee: and smitth can stay off 2!H
robbg: West will bid and the only question is
shevek: haffer will protect
robbg: does south balance
robbg: and we have an answer
mcphee: partner,,,,,,,,,,,,,,never balance when I ahve this defence
robbg: i cant type fast enough for this match
tejjyid: 3!C imaginative
mcphee: it sure was
tejjyid: Moir alas, took it seriously
mcphee: moir has the goods
robbg: This is a bit high
shevek: but not dbled
robbg: even with this lead
robbg: Odd to attack from a 3 card side suit
shevek: -100 wil gain 1 imp :)
tejjyid: Can't lead partners suit...that would be too old fashioned :-)
mcphee: think she might have tried to ruff all her !D losers here
->mcphee: he
mcphee: he she, how can I get it right?
shevek: Scott Smith and Deborah Moir are young NZers
robbg: Or Kiwis, as they are affectionately known in that part of the world :)
tejjyid: or sheepshaggers, as they are aso affectionately known
shevek: they come from the country where men are men and sheep are nervous :)
robbg: NS will be unable to prevent the crossruff for 200
robbg: This is a family show!
shevek: lol
mcphee: i think moir made a very sensible raise
vugraph37: ==================5
tejjyid: the raise was good; 
shevek: I agree Bob
mcphee: next time she will have 6 trumps!
tejjyid: lol
robbg: The 3!c bid was not good
mcphee: well considering parnter on that hand may balance with 2NT for minors
shevek: would everyone open north hand?
robbg: A prosaic 1NT.
mcphee: I'm there
tejjyid: 1!H
robbg: I would not, but I am almost alone in the US
tejjyid: If i had to open 1!C I wouldn't either
shevek: at this vul, consider passing
shevek: and when I get to play in 1NT they'd dbl me!
mcphee: good guesser
robbg: 8 tricks are possible
tejjyid: an optimist 
mcphee: meaning they have seen you on play?
shevek: hahaha
mcphee: hehe
robbg: But south doesn't fool around, and 7 are made
vugraph37: =====================6
mcphee: I confess I would have gone down
tejjyid: !H hook?
shevek: so, a few imps to Ware
mcphee: yes
mcphee: and my opps drop a !D from Qxx sucking me in there also!
tejjyid: maybe your opps woul dlead !D as a return gesture
vugraph37: sry no dbl on the last one - i misread the caddy's note
mcphee: good balancing NY here
tejjyid: YOu have a tortured life, Bob
robbg: Normal balancing 1NT 11-14 I guess
mcphee: we forgive yu 37
mcphee: not sure I would pass with the Smith hand
robbg: I am with you
shevek: obviously all the specs will bid 2!h  with that
tejjyid: 2!S (or weak raise) seems OK
mcphee: 3 trumps and stiff looks like gold to me
robbg: I certainly would not give up!
robbg: Maybe they play 4 card majors
mcphee: the thing about the smith hand is if partner is strong game is likely makeing unless horrible fit
shevek: it was a scoring error in the prev
mcphee: perhaps they are not using 2/1
tejjyid: They will not be playing 2/1 
shevek: 1NT was not dbled at the other table
mcphee: is 1NT F?
robbg: No reason to reject restricted choice
shevek: honest count by Debs
tejjyid: !Nt is probbaly NF
mcphee: more reason to pass then
tejjyid: 1!S may well be 4
robbg: my my
tejjyid: Kanetka tests the defence
robbg: Another cold contract has been tortured to death
robbg: I don't understand the play at all.
vugraph37: =================7
tejjyid: I prefer not to think about restricted choice; just to take it
shevek: imo Avi is one of the best declarers I know
robbg: North know west had !hQ, !cJ, !dJ
vugraph37: kanetkar relied on moir's count
tejjyid: A 75% chance is better than my thought processes most days
robbg: The !q would give him six
mcphee: yes robb
robbg: and east showed out on the second !d
shevek: Avi played East for 5-5-1-2 for the bididng pause?
robbg: and didn't bid over 1NT
robbg: As we say, "Holy Cow"!
mcphee: that is why you are ACBL life master Robb
tejjyid: And now, determined to make up for it, the 4 card 1!D overcall
robbg: No, I am life master because I showed up :)
mcphee: hehe
mcphee: i kinda like 1!D overcall
robbg: I would overcall 1!d
mcphee: 2 ACBL LM agree!
tejjyid: Even if u hadnt misplayed 1NT?
mcphee: makes it a laydown I would say
robbg: I would hope that that doesn't make him steam
mcphee: good play from Smith here
mcphee: and declarer was up to the taks
mcphee: task
shevek: no need to be sarcastic, Bob
shevek: :)
mcphee: no no I thot low !D was good move, some would lead Q
mcphee: or J
robbg: still a trick short
robbg: Not anymore
mcphee: premature !S shift
vugraph37: sry - i have lost the play - will wait for claim
mcphee: we hoped that was the case
tejjyid: a trump continuation by the defence probably
vugraph37: ====================8
vugraph37: just a bit too quick for me on that one
mcphee: n/s have yet to have a good reesult other than a slight miscue from their oops
robbg: On friendly lie, 6!s appears to be cold
tejjyid: Can EW bid a making game on this hand?
shevek: not sure andrew, speak to rob
mcphee: not a 4!S call for me
shevek: 13 now, 510
robbg: I would bid 3!s, stronger than 4
tejjyid: 4!S gives up on slam chances
mcphee: yes
tejjyid: but this is too strong for my 3!S bid; I would X first
mcphee: my feeling is that if partner were passing 3!H dble we may not be scoring as well as out game/slam
mcphee: so I would opt for the good jump o/c
tejjyid: Looking at my !H Kx, I feel partner is not passing
mcphee: and strike gold when partner bids 4!C!
robbg: Double or 3!s is a matter of style, but 4!s takes up too much room and should be saved for a different hand.
vugraph37: =================14
vugraph37: we will skip ahead to 14 to let the closed room catch up
tejjyid: No arguments there Rob
robbg: This hand should reach 3!s if pushed, and make it.
mcphee: n/s will sell out cheap i suspect
tejjyid: Not much can go wrong in 3!S
tejjyid: NS will get to 3!H quickly
mcphee: how?
vugraph37: scott telling a golfing story
tejjyid: enthusiasm
shevek: 1!c  1!s  x
mcphee: oh opening 1!C was something I did not consider
mcphee: but reasonable
robbg: You haven't watched the Aussies much have you?
robbg: This is "extras"
mcphee: this is nt a dble and bid your suit hand for me
tejjyid: not strong enough
tejjyid: bid 1!S and X later if pressed
robbg: This is how American experts would have bid this hand 40 years ago.
mcphee: smith came to the same realization
robbg: The modern style is to overcall directly
mcphee: exactlyand bid dble at your next turn
shevek: o/c =8-18 hcp
robbg: On trump lead, should make 4
tejjyid: I'm surprised N didnt try 3!H with his 7 loser hand
mcphee: o/c 8-17 ragne is also favored in the US, but not in Canada
robbg: Maybe not
robbg: no entry
vugraph37: ===================9
tejjyid: 2!C = both majors IMO
tejjyid: but this looks more like a 1!Sopening 
robbg: Convention abuse
mcphee: looks like 1!S to me
robbg: !h lead will serve her right
mcphee: but this little topy will work out well 
robbg: On board 6, where west passed out the balancing 1NT, ew bid all the way to 4!h, so Smith picked up some imps
tejjyid: I think justice has been postponed
mcphee: thot he may have hopped up with a honor there
shevek: I'm surprised he didn't lead a !s
mcphee: seem the !H lead was great!
shevek: I wasn't talking abt HIM :)
robbg: weird game yes
mcphee: Snow in a hepa of problems
mcphee: S I mean
shevek: East showed a weak two in !S  not both Maj
mcphee: oh well then West forgot!
robbg: rofl
tejjyid: nice ending
mcphee: nice endplay
robbg: only 4 boards left
vugraph37: ==========================10
robbg: Can Kanetkar stage a comeback?
tejjyid: We need blood, buckets of blood
shevek: looks like Ware is gathering imps stadily
tejjyid: Where are the double doubled slam swings?
robbg: No blood here
tejjyid: pick the !C for overtricks
mcphee: moir should have popped Q!S to give N a dig and make him annoyed
tejjyid: claim time
mcphee: thats what Wold does to me when I make those plays
tejjyid: and u find partner lead from 5 small?
mcphee: hehe
mcphee: or if I underlead an ace, he wins in hand with the K and says , OH
vugraph37: ===================11
mcphee: how frisky will n/s get?
tejjyid: 4!S I predict
mcphee: going down many
tejjyid: !H leaad = 2 off
robbg: EW best fit goes undiscovered, and for the best here
vugraph37: haffer say "sry p - this could be ugly"
tejjyid: so laong as they understand Lavinthal (generally called McKenney down under)
mcphee: kanetkas agrees of course
shevek: zis could be ugly :)
mcphee: e/w could score all 3 trumps
shevek: I'm sure Joe wouldn't mind me making fun of his german accent :)
mcphee: !C first would have done that for them
robbg: Can still do, but not obvious
mcphee: might try A!D
tejjyid: :-)
vugraph37: =====================12
mcphee: the !D could not really go away
robbg: no
mcphee: but there is fear in these situations
robbg: and now there is loathing
tejjyid: analysis conquers fear....or maybe not
robbg: Look at this layout
mcphee: bold stroke 3NT at these colors
robbg: 3NT cold due to !c entry in south!
shevek: with 2 sure tricks I would have passed the dbl
robbg: should rise
mcphee: yes when they are vul
shevek: at this vul
robbg: Look how silly this !h play was
robbg: If diamonds are anything but 6-1, a shift beats them
mcphee: yes a !D back and the hives appear
robbg: Didn't need second !h trick
mcphee: 3-1 !Cwas also failing with !D return
tejjyid: cant argue with success though
robbg: They aren't into claiming are they
tejjyid: need practice :-)
robbg: !
vugraph37: ====================13
shevek: details for this event at  http://www.abf.com.au/events/vcc/index.html
tejjyid: Like to thank the VBA, the ABf and the tournamanet convonors for supporting BBO
tejjyid: Even if I cant spell
Walddk2: Spell was spelled correctly Andrew :-)
tejjyid: and all the commentators & spectators
tejjyid: and Roland
mcphee: we need a !D lead
mcphee: UNDO
mcphee: a !D I said
tejjyid: Should lead !SK if he must lead a !S
shevek: and Dave, our Smooth Operator :)
mcphee: hehehe
robbg: Haffer showed little imagination here.
robbg: Double should show desire for a different lead.
tejjyid: yes, !S is poor thinking
robbg: Moir still has to guess !c
tejjyid: But even the !SK would be enough to hold the lead and switch
robbg: yes
mcphee: well hard to get !C wrong
robbg: and duly guessed
vugraph37: that was the last board
robbg: Thanks everybody
mcphee: thanks for watching folks
vugraph37: i'll keep the room open as the scores come in from the other room
tejjyid: thanks David & all others, and see you in an hour
vugraph37: next match in 90 minutes from now
NickF:  
vugraph37: for those saving LIN files - this is actually Rd 09 - you will need to rename your LIN file otherwise it will confuse ...
vugraph37: wiht last night's match
vugraph37: we are finished in this room - just waiting for the comparisons to come in from the other room
vugraph37: brds 15 & 16 are still to be played in the closed room - the caddy will bring the results to me as soon as they finish
vugraph37: one board to come - after that is scored, i'll keep the room open just a little bit longer and try to get the ...
vugraph37: leadersboard
vugraph37: that is the last result for this match so 41-9 to Ware
vugraph37: i will try to get a leadersboard in the next few minutes and determine which match will be covered for the final round ...
vugraph37: of the VCC
vugraph37: event info www.abf.com.au - click on VCC
vugraph37: ok. leadersboard:  Neill 171, Ware, 171, Sarten 169, Brightling 165, Thompson 164, Briffman 161
vugraph37: the vugraph match for the final round will be Neill vs. Brightling in about 50 minutes from now
vugraph37: closing the room now - bye