Chat log of Bridge Base Online session for vugraph37 starting at: Sun Jun 13 20:25:18 2004 tejjyid (Lobby): gday maaaaaate Walddk2 (Broadcast): Live vugraph broadcast from the Victor Champion Cup in Melbourne, Australia, will start in about 15 minutes. 16 boards. ... Walddk2 (Broadcast): Sarten vs. Neill Walddk2 (Broadcast): 5 minutes more like it, sorry Walddk2 (Broadcast): Broadcast from Melbourne starting now Walddk2: Good morning/afternoon/evening and welcome to Melbourne in Australia for the Victor Champion Cup 2004. Vi have reached ... Walddk2: round 8 out of 10 in this year's event. 16 boards per match Walddk2: Your commentators are Nicoleta Giura, Andrew Webb, Australia, Liz McGowan, Scotland, Peter Lund and Michael Askgaard, ... Walddk2: Denmark. I am Roland Wald, also from Denmark tejjyid: a potentially interesting matchup between youth & experience Walddk2: Hello everyone askgaard: Hi & welcome all tejjyid: hi roland et alia Walddk2: Our operator is Dave Thompson (vugraph37), also known as mrdct on BBO and one of our regular commentators. Good ... Walddk2: evening to you Dave shevek: hi roland, everyone tejjyid: Klinger/Neill/Nagy/Lilley have all played for Australia tejjyid: Klinger and Neill are members of this year's team vugraph37: ================31 shevek: Neill team just won the McCance Trophy (seniors) Walddk2: Ron Klinger arguably one of the best players in Australia ever vugraph37: player are just going over their pre-alerts tejjyid: Nagy is a very fine cardplayer with a backhround in rubber bridge Walddk2: Also a well known bridge writer shevek: convincingly, by 24 Vps from 2nd tejjyid: Ebery & Gold played on the winning interstate teams championship team last year tejjyid: They are very aggressive in the auction & frankly I do not understand their bidding system shevek: I think they play Power Walddk2: We will be starting with boards 31 and 32 here. Then we will get comparisons when we reach board 1 tejjyid: David Lilley is a former partner of Ron Klinger's, who in fact mastered Klinger's system "Power" shevek: their 1NT opening is 17-20 I think shevek: just as well the opponents play it andrew :) vugraph37: card out of slots now tejjyid: results & teams can be seen at : http://www.abf.com.au/events/vcc/index.html tejjyid: Nagy's 9 count looks good enough to him tejjyid: 4!S doomed by the trump break shevek: that spade suit is not as solid as it looks.... tejjyid: although it would be an agressive contract on these 2 hands Walddk2: Also welcome to Nick Fahrer from Australia NickF: hi. NickF: Not the best 9-count I;ve seen for 2 over 1 in a while. shevek: hi nick, hope you drink coke :) NickF: well I ahve a straw NickF: this will drift, what... 2 off ? shevek: no comment tejjyid: how many down folks? askgaard: at least I think pelu: last trick for dec. NickF: This is a 16-board match, IMPs converted to VPs. askgaard: Perfect defense here. vugraph37: ==========32 tejjyid: Gold & Ebery have plenty of experience, despite their youth tejjyid: Have to hate theat 1!H overcall pelu: and 2!H ven more hate!!!! askgaard: Well, I'm a 1!h bidder too, I must confess tejjyid: I feel NS have escaped something bad here NickF: 1!C was sort of Polish style. shevek: not vul, passed pd...still I would find hard to o/call 1!h tejjyid: Mike, want to explain yr thinking on the 1!H bid? shevek: lead directing :) askgaard: No, competing for the partscore pelu: be careful - there are young people here - so dont tell about the 2!H bid tejjyid: i think the 2!H may have been assuming 2!C was a raise NickF: or does it say... it's my tirn to go for 300 ? askgaard: Think so too, Andrew tejjyid: note South hasnt tried to give his partner a ruff askgaard: Otherwise south would probably have raised clubs pelu: misunderstanding in a basis situation? vugraph37: ===========17 tejjyid: NAgy & Lilley are not regular partners I believe NickF: Good result for EW. given 3!D could have been beaten. shevek: will you be more explicit operator please =====17 :) tejjyid: and the "undefined" !C opening may have been the issue pelu: so back to the system !Cs are never !Cs NickF: Gold and Ebery have been playing together for perhaps 10 years. NickF: Who likes the Double on east hand ? askgaard: My philosophy is that its much better to make an aggressive 1 of a major overcall and hopefully establish the fit at ... askgaard: once, than to wait and try to make some delicate balancing later tejjyid: Not me..but it is very typical for these 2 pelu: that X - with K J 10 x in opp suit? and only 12 HCP tejjyid: !H K will get info about trumps pelu: so the D = I have 12 HCP - but gues where to play? NickF: this is likely to be a push as NS failed 2 tricks in 2H in the Closed room. tejjyid: Yes, not really the modern style tejjyid: now Gold will hook the !C NickF: was it not the Blue Team who pioneered these doubles ? askgaard: Italian style T/O-double, Peter :) (I dont like it either) pelu: yes but the italian dont play them to day askgaard: No swing on this one vugraph37: ============18 Walddk2: http://www.abf.com.au/events/vcc/index.html is the official web site for the Victor Champion Cup with all the ... Walddk2: information you could ask for. Nicely designed at the same time tejjyid: 4!S looks avoidable tejjyid: Ebery will surely not be keen to go NickF: 3!s looks much more confortable than 4!S but I wonder if 10 tricks can me made. askgaard: That 9 of !d's at trick 1 might cost a trick NickF: Gold will pick up 5 IMPs on this board. NickF: the Sarten team that is. vugraph37: ===========19 tejjyid: odd line, failing to save the beer card until trick 13 Walddk2: What a disgrace NickF: huh, calls himself an youth player too. shevek: this is very uncharacteristic for Leigh Gold though NickF: what, bidding a singleton ? Walddk2: Natural it says :-) Walddk2: For him maybe shevek: and remember Ronald here it's winter vugraph37: natural it is askgaard: Even I would find a heart overcall a bit much on the west hand :) NickF: my guess is 2D is a multi and 2H is a takeout bid shevek: quite cold in melbourne tejjyid: natural takeout pelu: define "natural" tejjyid: "what everybody else does" :-) pelu: define "everybody" NickF: 1H X went 2 off NS in the other room on this board. tejjyid: my friends pelu: o h all 3 :-) askgaard: Anyway, EW seem to be on the same wavelength tejjyid: Gold may have psyched, but Ebery appears to have picked it NickF: no, I think the !D lead just gave it away. vugraph37: director called NickF: seems like the right thing to do. shevek: maybe you can tell us Dave who's on the same side of the screen? vugraph37: director here now Walddk2: North and East always are shevek: I like that andrew :) pelu: 3 !S + 3 !H +2 !C + 1!D = 9 vugraph37: no screens in this event Walddk2: Accordingly South and West too shevek: appears to have picked it!! shevek: thx Roland :) Walddk2: But maybe it's different down under :-) shevek: the multi twos are very popular in Oz these days NickF: !SQ seems best now. shevek: and the defences vary a bit NickF: Nagy will duck and take the 2nd spade. tejjyid: this is a partnership who have been together for 10 years tejjyid: they should know their multi 2!D defence by now askgaard: After the multi opening, declarer knows that the heart suit breaks poorly vugraph37: 2!D is not a straight multi - hard to see the system card from here though shevek: imo that was a terrible multi opening pelu: back to the opening : Is South-hand a multi for you? NickF: I prefer 1!h shevek: I know, not vul....still tejjyid: Nv vs Vul...you have a lot of freedom NickF: do you really want partner top swing thr !HK from !HKx against 4!S ? askgaard: I would pass, but 1!h is also ok shevek: maybe same colour? pelu: no - not in 1 hand - only if you have a partner-agrement - and then it MUST be on CC tejjyid: 5 major 4 Minor maybe Walddk2: Cricket: New Zealand all out for 218. England require 284 to win in a minimum of 160 overs (rest of today and all day ... Walddk2: tomorrow) NickF: no, opened 2!d andrew NickF: and in Euro 2004 all of Greece are celebrating a 2-1 win over Portugal. pelu: he just killed his communication bye the !H10 finess tejjyid: really strange line by declarer shevek: still makes NickF: I ahve Nagy's son on the line who says 2!D is either a weak 2!H with 5 cards or both black suits. Walddk2: Down now, dummy will be endplayed pelu: 10 tricks for taking - and down 1 tejjyid: from the bizrre to teh bizarre tejjyid: must be Ebery & Gold at the table NickF: in the words of Charlie Brown..."Good Grief" shevek: lol nick vugraph37: ==============20 tejjyid: And on the subject of defences to Multis...check out www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/multi askgaard: This looks like a peaceful partscore battle NickF: how did EW get to a 3-3 !h fit in the other room ? Walddk2: Because they didn't read David Burn's book on The Law of Total Trumps askgaard: True, strange Nick shevek: that didn't work andrew :( pelu: will we have bidding from the closed room (in "movie"? askgaard: And making 2!h is even stranger tejjyid: sorry, try www.cavendish.blakjak.demon.co.uk ->pelu: no shevek: 3rd time lucky? NickF: needs to play 2 diamonds now to shed the !H loser askgaard: declarer has 2 trump losers now askgaard: unless there is some coup available NickF: but that is all for 6 Imps to Neill. askgaard: There is! vugraph37: closed room score is wrong sry NickF: yes NickF: on a H out shevek: the favourite team of course is the Neill team askgaard: Very well done tejjyid: and the real link is http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/multi.htm NickF: although Sarten have been leading for most of the event. shevek: they just won the McCance Trophy (seniors) shevek: convincingly, by 24 Vps from 2nd shevek: so, congratulation to Bruce Neill, Ron Klinger, Zoly Nagy, David Lilley Walddk2: http://www.abf.com.au/events/vcc/index.html is the official web site for the Victor Champion Cup with all the ... Walddk2: information you could ask for. Nicely designed at the same time vugraph37: ============21 NickF: in fact 2S was beaten in the other room on this board and 2H was played EW on 22. shevek: With 3 matches to go, the top 6 teams are within 5VPs difference, so anything can happen vugraph37: sry i overtyped a score from the closed room in the wrong box askgaard: So Neill has taken the lead, but Sarten has some good results waiting in 31&32 that haven't been incalculated NickF: This is a 10-round, first across the lie Swiss Teams. tejjyid: true, but this looks like another partscore swing to Neill shevek: No final so, who happens to be 1st at the end of round 10 wins the event NickF: you are forced to get the club rights. vugraph37: =============22 shevek: would everyone open with south hand? NickF: not everyone methinks. tejjyid: I would askgaard: I would too pelu: 1 NT Walddk2: x2 shevek: would everyone overcall 1!s then ? NickF: talk about an abuce of the Law of Total Tricks. Walddk2: Can't do that over 1NT :-) NickF: ..abuse.. tejjyid: I doubt I would try 3!S on the East cards askgaard: The two tens makes this hand an ok 12-counter tejjyid: 5 controlss, 2 tens, a great hand pelu: 2!S ok - 3!S very strange NickF: 3!s has 5 losers and then some work. tejjyid: Yes askgaard: Not the best start for the defense NickF: This could be 3 off very easily. Walddk2: In fact 1NT by South will buy the contract. 1NT - 2!D ; 2!H EW can't come in NickF: less so, now. askgaard: No point in using the !sQ here NickF: Gold will get out for 1 off but 4 IMPs to Neill. shevek: 2 imps if 1 off pelu: ebery lucky that his 3!S-bid "only" cost 4 IMPs NickF: no 100+50 shevek: agree peter - no justice vugraph37: ==============23 shevek: agree with you too nick :) NickF: a routine 4!s on this hand, the fist making game in this set in the Open room. askgaard: N does not bother to show his club suit NickF: Lilley will claim at trick 3 when he sees the spade jack. NickF: ach! askgaard: It's 'never' right to play in clubs from his point of view (even opposite !cAKQJx!) vugraph37: ===============24 NickF: 8 boards so far in 55 minutes but remeber ther eare no screens in play. Walddk2: Cricket: Good news for the Kiwis, England in dire straits: 19 for 2 tejjyid: did they sort out 2!C before I wonder? tejjyid: This looks like a cue-raise to me tejjyid: A sane auction pelu: has to play !H now askgaard: In my opinion Ebery did too much with his so-so 9 count askgaard: !dQxx is good in defense vugraph37: =================25 pelu: but 3!D easy make tejjyid: I thiought gold might pass the X will the well placed !Cs in fact NickF: a low trump by Ebery would have beaten 3!D askgaard: I was, but he might have could a much more unsuitable hand with partner shevek: what else but pass? tejjyid: I think the X is agressive, but OK NickF: there's no question that EW like to get into the auction. shevek: according to Mr Finesse this should make NickF: but sometimes one wonders if they have no faith in their ability to defend, such is their insistence on playing these ... NickF: marginal hands. askgaard: :) pelu: that defence dont hurt declaer NickF: yes bu Ebery is no Mr Finesse. tejjyid: I'm sure each has faith in his own ability to defend :-) NickF: Nagy will score 2 !H and a Heart but that's all. NickF: 2!S vugraph37: players taking a short break Walddk2: Our live broadcast from the US Team Championships in Memphis will resume in about 3.5 hours with the 5th segment in the ... Walddk2: finals. Welland up by 23 against Nickell. No more from Australia until 8:00 pm New York, 02.00 Paris, 10:00 am Sydney ... Walddk2: Monday vugraph37: we are 2 or 3 boards ahead of the closed room NickF: any chance of annoucing we *may* be featuring pepsi tomorrow? ->NickF: you can talk to that point. it will happen if they move up a place or two shevek: so, Victor Champion Cup is Victoria's premier event NickF: We have a past world champion playing in this event - Jacek Pszczola shevek: The format is a swiss with 10x16-board matches NickF: I think he hopes to move to Sydney. tejjyid: And a Cavendish teams winner, Richard Jedrokowski NickF: Their team may be featured tomorrow. NickF: "Pepsi" as he is known won the Cavendish main game last months with Sam Lev ->shevek: it is actually a national event - one of the 5 events that qualifies to the national team playoffs shevek: together they won the Pairs in the Gold Coast NickF: plus a bit of spending money from the Cavendish I hear. vugraph37: still without players - but i also don't have a comparison for 26 yet NickF: Our next Vugraph from Australia will be in July for the Interstate Teams tejjyid: Lilley likes the occasional cigarette shevek: VCC is actually a national event that gives play off points (PQP) tejjyid: The Interstate teams is Autralia's oldest and maybe toughest teams event Walddk2: Vugraph37 is Dave Thompson mrdct on BBO. Great job Dave! Walddk2: Dave is also one of our regular commentators NickF: I believe one of our commentators has won the VCC when it was a pairs event but I understand he or she is too modest to ... NickF: admit it. vugraph37: players are back in their seats now vugraph37: =================26 NickF: Is that right, Andrew? NickF: oops. tejjyid: I believe so tejjyid: I blame my partner though shevek: 3NTa bit hairy? NickF: more comfortable from Ebery's seat tejjyid: have to try it though NickF: his play on 19 not withstanding. tejjyid: Yes, an aberration I'm sure tejjyid: this is hard though, on a passive lead, not now askgaard: There are different styles here to check for stoppers for 3NT when the opponents have shown 2 suits NickF: Nagy is looking a dummy and knows he has to find six discards, a bit depressing tejjyid: on a !S lead declare might go wrong NickF: I prefer to bid a suit to show a stopper. shevek: bid the one you have Michael? askgaard: One is to ask for them and the other to bid the stopped suit tejjyid: Mike makes a good point, I like to show stoppers after 2 suited overcalls tejjyid: I guess 3!H was "naturat" & Ebery adjusted himself accordingly askgaard: I show stoppers too, but the important thing is to have an agreement with partner, of course askgaard: SOP for EW, Andrew :) NickF: IMPs to Sarten on this board. vugraph37: ==================27 tejjyid: Yes, a good partnership :-) NickF: s.o.p. = state of play. tejjyid: or standard operating procedure shevek: I like 2!d NickF: check. shevek: I don't understand dbl shevek: zero play here NickF: perhaps he is bored. tejjyid: hard to avoid this contract though; it will be flat I think NickF: I think 3!D is a bit insensitve here, after all, forcing to game opposite a simple raise. pelu: he has only 2 green card in his box - so he has to D :-) NickF: they will hardly bypass 3NT to play in 4!C tejjyid: have a heart Nick, he has 19 NickF: ok, I I'll admit I'm a result merchant. NickF: but it will be flat, for sure. askgaard: It's hard to avoid 3NT with 25 hcp and a double stopper in the enemy suit tejjyid: That is a very fine 3NT by my standards vugraph37: ===============28 NickF: Sareten have some good boards that have not been compared so I'd have them in front at this stage. shevek: you forget bd 31 nick NickF: NS can make 6!H ? tejjyid: NS have gone to sleep! NickF: Nagy has never passed a hand like this in his life. askgaard: Can norths pass over 3!d really be right?! vugraph37: he did pass pelu: no tejjyid: The pills have kicked in Walddk2: I would risk 3!H, I know it's dangerous but I would :-) tejjyid: You must pelu: but pas with a 2½ loser-hand tejjyid: Find the !H lead shevek: 7-5 hand, how often do you get them? NickF: 5D beaten on a h ruff. askgaard: No chance, Andrew! shevek: nobody bid !h !h !h :) tejjyid: i guess 5!D X-ed is the 2nd best result Walddk2: No need to, they only have 10 between them, and this probably an excellent result askgaard: Norths pass was surely tactical pelu: they have only 10 :-) tejjyid: I take it back, Norths pass a master stroke to encourage the X askgaard: He wanted to get doubled later vugraph37: =================29 NickF: since 3D by Gold was forcing, Nagy knew hew would have another chance to bid. pelu: bridge or poker? tejjyid: nagy has played a lot of rubber Walddk2: What about a grand slam now? NickF: 1NT is a comic 1NT NickF: eith 15-17 or a long single suited hand. Walddk2: But it's tragic if it goes for 1100 shevek: hard to reach grand now NickF: I think 7!S is 5 off with a D ruff. tejjyid: I like to keep some system on over Comic NT...so 3!H as fit showing would've been my choice shevek: then club underlead?? tejjyid: rather than a nebulous X askgaard: Difficult for south, could he trust the opponents to have at least 10 spades? Walddk2: No 5!D cue bid? Walddk2: That was tame tejjyid: Nagy has use 5!H asking about trumps tejjyid: Lilley ahas assumed it asked about !S shevek: another chance? NickF: "cheep cheep" said the birdie pelu: Nagy - a rubber-player - they "never" go for slam - take the money and ran - but not a winning style for teams tejjyid: kibitzers aren't happy about Souths X following Norths forcing pass of 5!S pelu: I am not happy NickF: I'm not happy either. shevek: making now!!!! tejjyid: and nor am I NickF: did I say cheap, making 5 -thanks very much. Walddk2: 850 away when you are cold for 2210 askgaard: Disaster for NS NickF: I think we can safely predict a plus for the Sarten team. shevek: 3060! askgaard: How many imps is that? shevek: 22imps NickF: Nagy has just counted 6+5+1+1 - oh dear. vugraph37: ================30 tejjyid: It's a lot of money if you are playing rubber too Walddk2: This is the last board of the segment, and Australia will say good night. Play will resume at 8:00 pm New York, 02.00 ... Walddk2: Paris, 10:00 am Monday in Sydney with rounds 9 and 10 Walddk2: Thanks to Dave Thompson, our operator in Sydney. Dave has also been instrumental in organising these broadcasts on ... Walddk2: behalf of BBO NickF: yes at $10 per hundred that's about $300 Walddk2: Also thanks to the Australian Bridge Federation, and in this context especially the convenors Diana Jacobs and Jenny ... Walddk2: Thompson Walddk2: Finally, as always thanks to our excellent commentators: Nicoleta Giura, Peter Lund, Andrew Webb, Nick Fahrer and ... Walddk2: Michael Askgaard tejjyid: Thanks to all concerned for the work involved shevek: in 5 minutes :) that is 3,600/hr NickF: the closed room have 3 boards to play but if you stay logged in our operator may be able to update scores as they come ... NickF: in. tejjyid: Commentating is easy; Scheduling & driving are the real labour NickF: our next match starts in 12 hours. Walddk2: Our live broadcast from the US Team Championships in Memphis will resume in about 3 hours with the 5th segment in the ... Walddk2: finals. Welland up by 23 against Nickell shevek: yes Roland, great job NickF: Tomorrow is a public holiday in Australia, we are celebrating the (English) Queens birthday which was in April. askgaard: EW bought the previous hand in 4!s undoubled! Walddk2: lol NickF: Of course we are poised to cecede fomr the Britich Commonwealth and join the Danish monarchy now Walddk2: lol was for the Queen askgaard: So 850 was only 5 imps Walddk2: Maybe she will sue me now NickF: now that the Danes have an Australian Princess. Walddk2: Crown princess even NickF: We wish to align oursleves with Greenland, the Faroe Islands and of course Denmark. Walddk2: Excellent, ty Walddk2: What about Bornholm? Walddk2: A Danish island much closer to Sweden than Denmark Walddk2: Want that too Nick? NickF: only if it means an extra public holiday. NickF: Sarten may have passedthe North cards in the other room on the "grand slam" hand. pelu: ok we accept Australia as a new danisk island NickF: But Nagy has a good nose for a good hand. Walddk2: If they learn to speak Danish that is askgaard: Declarer needs to take a ruffing finesse in !d's to land this tejjyid: Only at the 1st round of the auction apparently nick! vugraph37: lilley studying EW's convention card askgaard: He has a problem with the last spade in his hand shevek: with 3 matches to go, the top 6 teams were within 5VPs difference shevek: so, anything can happen shevek: remember, no final so, who happens to be 1st at the end of round 10 wins the event NickF: next match in 11 3/4 hours. shevek: in this match both teams missed a few opportunities tejjyid: can't wait! askgaard: Lilley can't win this any more, so this board will probably produce a swing for Sarten NickF: which is not so long as I will sleep for most of it. Walddk2: Thx all for coming, play will resume in 12 hours - from Australia I mean. Have a nap. Bye for now tejjyid: thx & bye NickF: stay tuned as # 37 updates the scores. shevek: bye everyone askgaard: Thanks all shevek: details for VCC : http://www.abf.com.au/events/vcc/index.html vugraph37: i will keep the room open for the results on the last two boards pelu: hi - all slep well shevek: thx Dave shevek: you did a great job, btw vugraph37: one comparison to come now shevek: so sarten won by 9 imps NickF: no 32 to come. NickF: on 32, 3!D could have been beaten on a !h ruff. shevek: right NickF: what is say 22 IMPS on the 16 board scale? NickF: not 22 NickF: about 15 IMPs shevek: 20-10 on a 14board scale, not sure abt 16 vugraph37: 15 imps is 18-12 NickF: 12-15 IMPs an 18-12 shevek: they'll all be talking abt 29 at the bar shevek: 10 imps diff vugraph37: that's all the score now tejjyid: thanks dave tejjyid: c u tomorrow vugraph37: i am going to keep the room open just a little bit longer until the result is confirmed NickF: ok bye. vugraph37: ABF website will have the result for all matches in about 10 minutes from now vugraph37: give-or-take! vugraph37: score confirmed - see you all tomorrow