Chat log of Bridge Base Online session for vugraph138 starting at: Thu Aug 05 19:50:46 2004 Walddk2 (Broadcast): Our broadcast from Melbourne starting now. WA vs. ACT at 1 table, NSW vs. Victoria at the other NickF: test Walddk2: Good morning/evening everyone NickF: Welcome to NSW vs Vic Walddk2: The Australian Interstate Teams from Melbourne NickF: or the gringos vs the Mexicans Walddk2: And welcome to your commentators: Migry Zur Campanile, Israel, and Nick Fahrer, Australia NickF: hi Migry Walddk2: Shalom Migry :-) NickF: We're in for a treat here. Ron Klinger is playing with Bruce Neill, arguably Australia's top pair at the moment. NickF: EW play a forcing club system (11+hcp) with transfer openings migry: Hi everybody from sunny Tel Aviv:)) NickF: NS play ACol with aggressive 2 level openers NickF: 2!D by Klinger promised a single suited hand. NickF: natural NickF: the defense must attack trumps migry: not really - they are going to take a lot of trumps separately anyway NickF: Do NS make 4!s here? NickF: 3!s was fit showing NickF: pretty safe contract traking the !D finesse into the East hand. migry: nice bid -3!s - doesn't give much away to the opps and saves pd from awkward bids NickF: NSW have won the Interstate Teams 36 times and Vic 15 times since it started in 1934 NickF: Klinger and Neill we be Australia's # 1 pair at the Olympiad in Turkey later this year. NickF: we will get comparisons now NickF: as we move to Bd 1 NickF: 1!C is 11+ and forcing. NickF: 1!D shows 13+ balanced migry: born in the 60s NickF: not much to this contract...again. migry: definitely time to get a coffee:) NickF: 1!S and 2 !C to lose for a flat board. vugraph138: long think NickF: is Klinger still thinking? vugraph138: yes NickF: well that clears up the spade problem NickF: unless he really played a club. vugraph138: yes NickF: he he ->NickF: lol NickF: 1!S sows 4 + diamonds here NickF: and dnies a 4 card major. NickF: 1NT was artificial, 9+ hcp migry: what system do they play?:) NickF: 2!D showed something I am sure. NickF: sort of a hyrbrised polish club with transfer openers migry: not that i know better:)) NickF: if you're interested go t ohttp://www.abf.com.au/events/anc/2004/systems.html NickF: and look at the NSW and VIc system cards. NickF: 3NT seems a bit high with 13 opposite 9 NickF: that was http://www.abf.com.au/events/anc/2004/systems.html NickF: I suppose he might scramble 8 tricks migry: something must have gone wrong in the HPCWTO system:) NickF: indeed. NickF: but Bruce Neill is a fine declarer yet I cant see him making this one. NickF: I think he is looking forlornly at dummy. NickF: In the other room, EW played in a much more sensible !h partial. migry: i think north looks pretty happy - but he may find himself enplayed later vugraph138: he is looking content migry: maybe he sd have just taken the heart and clear the suit NickF: our interpid Vugraph operator must have mixed feelings about this match - last year he played for Vic but now he lives ... NickF: in NSW migry: hi:) and your name is?:) migry: i hate this numbers:) ->migry: Leigh Gold migry: Hi Leigh:) nice to meet you:) ->migry: thks u 2 migry: now it is west who will be endplayed NickF: Hughes doesnt know he can safely pitch a diamond. NickF: I would expect West to have it on this auction. migry: i wd hate to have to play this contract:) NickF: a rountine 4!s NS here. migry: another flat one - and i'm out of coffee:) NickF: I think North can bid 3!s here to offer a choice of games. migry: for me 3!s wd be a cue bid for hearts NickF: 4!S in the otrher room...that looks scary. NickF: 3NT will make 10 tricks for a flat board. migry: i wonder how u can get to 4!s NickF: if you click on MOVIE you can see the auction in the other oom. NickF: I they fell into it migry: it seems they were worried about hearts:) vugraph138: u can see the play as well vugraph138: in the closed migry: i am getting spoiled here :) in the juniors you can't see ANYTHING:) NickF: so 4-0 to VIC after 4 boards. NickF: in the other Vugraph match ACT lead WA 7-6 migry: are they playing the same fascinating boards? vugraph138: yes NickF: yes. migry: thx L:) NickF: let's hope the boards get more exciting. NickF: 3!C is fit showing migry: pity south has such an obvious lead NickF: Deep Finesse says he can't beat 4!H migry: it makes migry: he just has to duck the club migry: and then with spades 3-3 and both aces in north;s hand it's cold NickF: then Sarten may underlead his !D A for an overtrick : ) migry: true:) vugraph138: 3c showed 5c+4d he may misread migry: however he must figure out if south has 4 or 5 clubs NickF: looks like he was compelled to take the CA if he thought so. migry: and he got it wrong - maybe north would have bid more with 7 diamonds NickF: otherwise he would have suffered a ruff or so he thought. NickF: looksl iek 6 more imps to VIC when it could have been 7 to NSW NickF: not vul - 5 IMPs NickF: this wont take long to play. migry: not many imps will change hands in this one:) migry: how is the weather in Australia Nick?:) NickF: chilly - vugraph138: brrrr migry: :)) NickF: I am going to Melbourne tomorrow for these championships and it will be under 10 C I suspect. vugraph138: yes icy!!!! migry: this is COLD NickF: our seasons are upside down in the antipodes migry: i know:) NickF: good suit combination here NickF: small to the Ace is best in case East has stiff King vugraph138: deep in thought NickF: he's a mug : ) ->NickF: lol Walddk2: Ron Klinger is not only a great player, he is also a very good writer. He is author of more than 20 books Walddk2: Guide To Better Card Play even won an award when it was published in 1991 Walddk2: Bridge Book of The Year Walddk2: I would expect EW to reach game here NickF: seems I didnt miss much. NickF: 1!S show 9+ points and 4+ H NickF: but denies spades. NickF: 2!s shows diamonds Walddk2: Strange that they stopped in a partial at the other table NickF: and 3!D shows a 2452 Walddk2: Could have been because West passed inititially, but he did not NickF: looks like the first few measly imps to NSW Walddk2: If he gets diamonds right is migry: yes:) with diamonds behaving nicely - no problem in this one Walddk2: 10 tricks if he guesses diamonds, down if he does not migry: roland, we SEE that diamonds are 2-2:)) Walddk2: 8 ever, 9 never is a good rule here Walddk2: Because it works Walddk2: But there is not much in it Walddk2: 52-48 migry: declarer sd play some hearts and get more info migry: now he may get it wrong NickF: if he guess the diamonds, NS will win 8 IMPS, if he doesnt they will lose 5 Walddk2: Yes, but that may lead him atsray on this deal migry: as he knows north has 4h and 4 s NickF: woo hoo Walddk2: well done NickF: (sorry..I'm from NSW) Walddk2: Me too Walddk2: North Sjælland Wald Walddk2: :-) migry: Nick i think it's perfectly right to root for your team:))) NickF: I just didnt want to offend my victorian friends in the Audience... vugraph138: lol Walddk2: You have friends Nick? NickF: both of them migry: not anymore:) NickF: 21-6 to ACT over WA NickF: 2!s from Klinger promised exaclty 5!s ...sometimes 4!s NickF: but never a side 4 card !h suit. Walddk2: Our coverage from Australia will continue through Saturday. The finals will begin tomorrow evening, but still a couple ... Walddk2: of round-robin matches in the morning and afternoon Melbourne time Walddk2: That's in the middle of the night in Europe :-( NickF: making fur sure now for a push NickF: or an IMP even Walddk2: 9 boards, 9-9 migry: rolanddddddddddd - u took my words Walddk2: Story of your life Migry migry: how true:) NickF: strong NT by NS wh n vul or 3/4 seats Walddk2: Diamond shift by Neill now would be good NickF: that happened in the other room for 6 defensive tricks Walddk2: Low diamond ducked to the queen, and a diamond back ducked by Neill NickF: EW lead low from 4 small in an unbid suit vs NT NickF: in th e other room declarer played Ace another club for the same score. NickF: unlucky 4!H here with trumps 3-1 Walddk2: 3 outside losers, so you need hearts 2-2 in order to make 4!H. Not this time though NickF: 4!c wont make so Klinger better pass. Walddk2: Unlucky? No! 3-1 = 50% 2-2 only 40% Walddk2: Roughly NickF: maybe 4!C does make... Walddk2: A general rule: If you are missing an EVEN number of cards, they will usually not break 2-2 or 3-3 ... if you are ... Walddk2: missing an ODD number of cards, they will usually break as evenly as possible Walddk2: 2-1 3-2 4-3 NickF: Fruewrith played this superbly to make 3NT in the other room. Walddk2: Very difficult hand to play Walddk2: 10 rounds of bidding to the standard 3NT I presume :-) NickF: 1!D showed hearts originally. NickF: 1!H is invitational + Walddk2: 9's can be very important cards as you see here vugraph138: neill has shown his shape Walddk2: !H9 and !C9 are both vital NickF: you can find the convention cards at http://www.abf.com.au/events/anc/2004/systems.html NickF: the !d9 is called the curse of the scotland - do these nines have names too? Walddk2: Not that I know of Walddk2: Klinger may insert his first 9 soon, at trick 2 NickF: The 9!D was the playing card used by Sir John Dalrymple, the Earl of Stair, to cryptically authorise the Glencoe ... NickF: Massacre. There is a resemblance between the nine of diamonds and his coat of arms. Walddk2: There we go Walddk2: Just one of the explantions though (Curse of Scotland). There are others Walddk2: If in doubt, read the Encyclopedia NickF: I think the Duke of Cluberland may also lay claim to it as well Walddk2: This is a complex hand, even with all cards in view NickF: Roland do yo uknow which King has no moustache ? Walddk2: This should work nicely Walddk2: Yes, !HK, sorry NickF: correct ! Walddk2: I think Klinger has a pretty good feeling as to the heart suit Walddk2: That it won't break migry: a !d shift now kills dummy migry: now north is going to be squezzed NickF: ouch NickF: could go down now migry: ouchhhhhhhhh migry: he cd have made vugraph138: yes, bad d pitch NickF: 10 IMPS to the Vics...(sniff). NickF: VIC bid to a fair 6!d on this but drifted 3 off. migry: why is this contract 3 down? NickF: 4-1 trumps makes it harder. NickF: 4-1 trumps plus took a H ruff and a club finess. migry: 6!d from the west hand is cold migry: or am i mistaken? NickF: South lead a H NickF: cold if you drop the CQ migry: not when west is declarer:)) migry: no - u have 5 diamonds - 4 spades - 2 clubs and a heart Walddk2: True, spades break Walddk2: So you don't need the club finesse migry: no:) Walddk2: Amazing NickF: but what is more likely the SQ to drop singleton or be onside or spades to break? NickF: CQ I mean migry: unless of course north leads the K!h but i have a feeling that this is not quite the normal lead:) vugraph138: sartan x 2h missed it NickF: what has Ron shown # 138 ? NickF: All of Neills bids were relays vugraph138: 2155 and his stg and controls NickF: what is his stg ? Walddk2: strength Walddk2: maybe NickF: this will be muchos IMPs to NSW NickF: in the other feature match ACT lead WA 34-19 vugraph138: 6-7 for vic vugraph138: gain NickF: good balance from Hughes. NickF: ACT 34 WA 26 migry: easy when u a passed hand migry: and what exactly was 2!h? NickF: promises 5H ,weak NickF: can be 4 (rarely) NickF: but thrid seat... Walddk2: 8 boards to go in this match. Our next broadcast from Melbourne is in about 12.5 hours (10:30 am Friday local time). ... Walddk2: Victoria vs. Western Australia and Australian Capital Territory vs. New South Wales NickF: the NSW North passed this hand in the other room. NickF: They play Acol 2s NickF: but looks like a hand you have to take action with in 3rd seat. migry: bye thx Nick and Roland and Leigh for a great job:)) NickF: bye mig Walddk2: Thx Migry :-) vugraph138: thx Walddk2: Please welcome David Greenwood, an expert analyst from Ireland Walddk2: Hi David jtr: Will do my best to replace Migry Good evening Australia! Walddk2: Migry is prettier, that I can say! jtr: beauty is in the eye of the beholder Roland:-) NickF: 4S makes NS NickF: if you run the SJ I think jtr: this can too in a funny way Walddk2: And 4!H may make now vugraph138: 1 off me thks NickF: redouble Leigh jtr: he can set up clubs and the defence must give hima !d guess Walddk2: Yes, with open cards you can make it jtr: nice start NickF: If Neill makes this it will be 11 IMPS for NSW jtr: he is doing well Now a low !d will test him vugraph138: hmm oh well jtr: nicely played vugraph138: 6s by the rabbi NickF: 2!s promises 5 Spades - weak ..can be a 4 card suit. NickF: WA 39 ACT 26 now NickF: Klinger needs too much in the West hand for slam to be a good proposition. NickF: 39 36 to WA, sorry. NickF: another IMP to NSW NickF: 1!s shows diamonds, denys a major NickF: 2H is non - forcing. jtr: cant be easy to play against this system vugraph138: still vic picks up 6 jtr: although it hasnt done much damage here NickF: more common in Austrlia than elsewhere jtr...so we get used to it. jtr: i know they play it in New Zealand too NickF: really these transfer opening are just pop-guns NickF: 6 IMPs back to VIC jtr: Nothing difficult here Walddk2: Information about the Australian National Championships and this event, including system cards, can be found at: ... Walddk2: http://www.abf.com.au/events/anc/index.html NickF: North took the phantom save over East's 4!s in the other room. jtr: Not unreasonably jtr: i think i prefer 4!s straight away with the East hand NickF: me too NickF: they never sit the X NickF: flat board. jtr: law was 2 tricks out on this hand vugraph138: waiting for a board to come vugraph138: its here NickF: this hand was passed out in another match. Walddk2: Pearson says you should pass now NickF: pass brings 2 IMPs to NSW NickF: 3 IMPS vugraph138: 4 imps NickF: 3rd time lucky NickF: disciplined pass fromf Neill. NickF: why wouldnt South pass 2!C ? vugraph138: he did his training with Gallus NickF: that man has a lot to answer for Walddk2: I've been asked what that Pearson was about. Mr. Pearson from California claims that, when in doubt whether to open in ... Walddk2: 4th seat or not with sub-minimum values, you should apply the Rule of 15 Walddk2: Rule of 15 is: High card points + SPADES must add up to at least 15 Walddk2: If it does, open, if not, do not open, he says vugraph138: neill in the tank NickF: WA 44 ACT 37 Walddk2: The reason for it is that the fewer spades you have, the higher the risk is that the opponents may outbid you in spades ... Walddk2: at the same level .... making. And then you would have been better off if you had passed NickF: 1!D shows 4+ !h NickF: 1!H = invitational. jtr: both teams stop low with 24HCP! NickF: an inelegant but probably successful contract. Walddk2: I have been in worse fits .... 2-1 at the 4-level for example Walddk2: Fortunately trumps broke 5-5 NickF: that was a lucky break. Walddk2: This is the last board of the match in this room - and today. Thx a lot to our very capable operator in Melbourne, Leigh ... Walddk2: Gold. Good job! vugraph138: thks to you all NickF: yes Leigh = worth your star Walddk2: Also thanks to my excellent co-commentators this afternoon/evening: Nick Fahrer, David Greenwood and Migry Zur ... Walddk2: Campanile. Finally thanks to the Australian Bridge Federation for their support of broadcasts through BBO NickF: but we'll keep the room open to update the final scores. NickF: the other room has 2 bds to play. Walddk2: Last but not least full credit to Dave Thompson (mrdct on BBO) who has been instrumental in organising these broadcasts ... Walddk2: for us. Very well done Dave! NickF: another missed game by NSW vugraph138: dave is running the wa vs act match NickF: without knowing too much about the system it seems both of them have underbid. NickF: this will be about 9 IMPS to VIC Walddk2: Play will resume at 10:30 am Friday Sydney, 02:30 Paris, 1:30 am London, 8:00 pm (today) New York; that is in about 11 ... Walddk2: hours and 50 minutes. Hope to see you back then NickF: WA 50 ACT 37 with 3 bds to play. Walddk2: We have WA vs. VIC and NSW vs. ACT for you later today/in the morning jtr: Judgment still plays an important part even with highly complicated systems NickF: 1 bds still to be scored. NickF: bd 24 was a boring 3NT so it looks like a small win to VIC. NickF: thye will remain in 2nd place NickF: see you all tomorrow. Walddk2: Thx all for coming today/tonight. Good night to Australia and have a nice day the rest of you Walddk2: Thx Leigh, well done Walddk2: Board 24 was a push Walddk2: See you, bye now Walddk2: Resuming in 11 hours and 30 minutes Walddk2: 40 rather